Hi, Complete Newb here, any advice / help much appreciated.
I’m using the in-built version of Mocha that comes in BCC+ Beauty Studio, but It’s just not transferring the mask data back to Premiere pro.
When I drag the effect onto the clip, the effect is applied, I then open Mocha, create / track my mask, save and exit. when I come back to my project there is no longer an effect applied anywhere even though the plugin is still loaded on the clip.
from all of the tutorials I watched it seems like this step should be relatively simple, but no matter how much tweaking i do with tying different settiongs / paramaters, I’m having no luck.
I’m checking to see if the data has transferred using the “view mask” in the pixel chooser, but the screen appears all black.
Thanks again to anyone willing to help me trouble shoot this.
I took on this job due to a tight deadline and seem to have made the wrong decision
I’ve listed some steps below to help you see how the filter is working. Please follow the steps and let me know if this helps.
(1) apply BCC+ Beauty Studio to the source shot
(2) in the filter control panel, launch mocha and create a mask shape, then close mocha to return to the host
(3) in the filter control panel, set the view option to matte
you should at this stage see a luma matte of the filtered source within the mocha mask shape
Are you seeing this? If you can send me a project or screenshots of the UI that would certainly help in understanding why you were not seeing the mask.
Thanks for sending that clip along - it really helped in my understanding of the problem that you’re trying to solve.
I really don’t think that the BCC+ Beauty Studio is the correct tool for removing the earring hole or for clone style image restoration / repair work - I’d suggest using BCC Remover for that, setting it to auto-fill and use the PixelChooser circle shape to isolate the area to remove. The BCC Remover also includes the Mocha option so the circle shape from the PixelChooser can be tracked.
You also had a question about the PixelChooser itself. It is, in essence, an integrated masking and tracking feature. It enables users to hold back the filter effect from user defined regions in the filtered source shot. It has a built-in gradient generator, basic geometric shapes, and full set of matte tools to pull pixels from the filtered source (or an alternate source) for the holdback matte. And, as mentioned, it includes Mocha tracking and masking.
The BCC and BCC+ Beauty Studio filters are really for cleaning up visible pores in a close up shot of a face - skin smoothing. If that’s what you need to do then please send me a single source shot (maybe just 1 second or something short like that) and I’ll help you with setting it up which you can then use as a reference guide for other shots.
Apologies for being misleading in the video, I only masked the ear ring hole as an example, to clarify - I do plan to use BCC+ to clear up the visible pours.
thanks for the info regarding BCC remover as that will also come in very handy, very helpful info about the pixel chooser as well thank you.
I’ve attached a link to a single source shot below
Thanks for sending the clip along - I worked with it in Premiere Pro and have a decent result for you to work with either as-is or as a starting point. There was no need for Mocha as I was able to produce a matte key to isolate his face from the beard etc. Here’s a zip of the project file : BorisForumProject.zip (2.8 MB)
Thanks Peter, I’m back in my studio today so I’ll get back to you as soon as I’ve tried this, Looks like I have to update my IOS to open this project, so bear with me and I’ll get back to you ASAP, thanks again.
Hi Peter, Just to keep you in the loop, your project was very helpful, and it seems updating my OS X and uodating to the bewest version of premiere pro has fixed the Mocha issue.
Hi Peter, No problem, thanks for the help.
I’m actually having another problem now that I’ve reached the point of removing the ear piercing hole, when I have both ‘Beauty Studio’ and ‘Remover’ loaded onto the same clip, the remover plugin seems to cancel out the effect of the beauty studio plugin when they are both on. Do you have any thoughts on why this could be happening? it only happens when beauty studio has the in built mocha running.
before mocha is initiated the 2 plugins run side by side just fine.
This is because Mocha reads the material straight from the timeline, avoiding any additional effects applied. If you need to apply 2 effects and both of them contain Mocha, try to do a precomp after applying one of the effects, and make sure that “Move All Attributes” option is enabled.
Upd: sorry seems that I’ve missed the part that you’re using it inside Premiere and not After Effects. This case, try nesting the clip while keeping one of the effect inside the nest
Thank you, that makes sense - and actually there is some bits I will be using after effects for so that first bit of info may come in handy and some point as well.
Wondering if you’d also be able to offer any insight into something else (please let me know if you’d like me to start a new thread for these other bits, although they are still to do with mocha)
I’m using liquify in after effects to alter the shape of the subjects nose, I’d like to use mocha AE data to track the nose so that my liquify edits are consistent over multiple frames, is there a general easiest way to link mocha data to AE plugins? or are there any other methods you would recommend tracking / manipulating facial features (for aesthetic purposes)
I’ve read somewhere that the power mesh module inside of mocha could be an option? or that maybe there was even an old add on module for mocha that would target facial features directly, but i haven’t been able to find enough information on either to get it to work. Ideally I’d like to do the job inside of premiere pro, but liquify in after effects is the closest thing i’ve found yet.
Apologies for the essay, thanks in advance if you can help.
Correct, based on your task description, sounds like the Power Mesh is the way to go.
The general pipeline would look like this:
First you track your image with PowerMesh, and do the unwarp.
This unwarped image would look stabilized around the parts of the face that you’ve track. It makes is easier to apply effects like Liquify or Warp.
And once you’re finished with composing on the stabilized frame, you need to re-warp the image, to get the motion back.
We have plenty of tutorials on the Power Mesh, here’s where you can start with
Alternatively, some warping could be done in the Mocha itself, without the need of AE. There are warping tools inside the Insert module. Martin has recently did a whole stream on the Insert module, you can check the section around 29 minutes here to have a closer look:
Ahh thank you all very helpful, yes doing it inside of Mocha Pro definitely seems like the option to go for. I’m having a problem with the insert module, it doesn’t seem to be behaving how martin has described when he talks about pulling the warp points, I’ve attached a video of me trying to do it in my project (in this video I have just drawn a basic mask in the interest of keeping the video quick, but i have also tried this with a mesh mask with no luck. do you have any thoughts on why this could be once I’ve cracked this I think it will be the perfect tool for what I need.
Many thanks
Marcus
Brilliant, can’t thank you enough for taking the time to film a step by step, that’s extremely helpful,
I’ll try this later today, all the best, Marcus
Hi Elizabeth, finally got around to trying this method and it worked perfectly, only thing now is that I’m struggling to get the Data to transfer back over to my premiere pro project, do you have any thoughts on why this might be?
I’ve attached a video to show me going through your process, I assume as I’m using the plugin version of mocha pro I am supposed to just save and quit mocha, but this doesn’t seem to be working.
Hi Elizabeth, unfortunately that didn’t work, I tried it a few ways / times to double check I wasn’t making any errors - before heading back to here for some more help.
I’ve attached another video to show you.
all very helpful, yes doing it inside of Mocha Pro definitely seems like the option to go for. I’m having a problem with the insert module, it doesn’t seem to be behaving how martin has described when he talks about pulling the warp points, I’ve attached a video of me trying to do it in my project (in this video I have just drawn a basic mask in the interest of keeping the video quick, but i have also tried this with a mesh mask with no luck. do you have any thoughts on why this could be once I’ve cracked this I think it will be the perfect tool for what I need.
